What is “real” to any given person is a matter of perception. Personal Perception is entirely subjective. Dreams cannot be objectively verified. Subjective experiences are not evidence. Imaginings are not proof.
There is no way to show or demonstrate the existence of that which cannot be observed.
The only person seeing the dream is the dreamer. There is no way for anyone else to objectively verify what the dreamer is seeing.
Imagination is not tangible.
There is no physical evidence of any dream.
So in an objectively empirical sense NO, personal experience is NOT real.
My mind is open to all that exists within the physical universe. All that can be observed and documented.
Accepting that which no one can see, hear, touch, smell, or feel leaves one highly susceptible and vulnerable to any number of deceptions, Not the least of which is religion.
So yes, I have closed my mind To deception To lies To the unreal.
When it comes to god, each and every individual on earth experiences god in a different way, subject to their own situation, experiences, personality, circumstances, beliefs, opinion, positions, biases and prejudices.
God cannot be objectively observed, as every person’s experience of god is entirely subjective.
God is, by definition, supernatural, in that is not know to exist at any point anywhere at any time within the realm of the physical universe that we know as perceptible reality.
Anything that does not physically exist cannot be evidenced. Anything that cannot be experienced objectively by anyone and everyone, regardless of belief, cannot be empirically verified.
What is real need not be believed. What is real can be proven.
Reality is not a matter of faith. God is.
This is something that many Theists (those who believe in god) are often frequently either unwilling or unable to accept.
Yes, a lot of people believe in god. Yes, a lot of people experience god.
But no two people’s belief in god is exactly the same. And no two people’s experience of god is exactly the same. No two people experience god in the same way. And no two people believe the same things about god. One person’s god has silver hair. Another person’s god is blonde. One person’s god is old. Another’s god is young. One person’s god is tall. Another person’s god is short. One person’s god may have blue eyes. While another’s might have brown. Just as two people; one young, tall, blonde-haired and blue-eyed; the other old, short and silver-haired with brown eyes; cannot be said to be the same person; No two people’s god is the same god. Each and every individual person on this planet earth has his or her very own personal god. And each person’s god is theirs and theirs alone. No two individuals’ gods are alike. Each individual’s god is based solely and entirely on their very own personal opinions, positions, beliefs, like and dislikes, biases, and prejudices.
This is why it is often easier for people to say what their god is NOT, than to explain what it IS.
One person’s god is most definitively NOT homosexual. Another person’s god is most definitely NOT black. Another’s god is certainly NOT a scientist. Another person’s god is absolutely NOT Liberal. Another’s is positively NOT Progressive. Another’s god is surely NOT Hispanic. Another person’s guaranteed NOT to be poor. No two people believe the same things about their own personal gods.
This is why there is not, and cannot be, any ONE god.
Each person’s god exists only and solely in their own imagination, in their own mind. No one else can see their god, because no one else can see what’s in their mind.
This is not true of things, which physically exist.
Everyone perceiving it in the same way observes everything that physically exists.
Grass is green. Anyone who says that grass is blue is wrong.
Let us say that your God is has white hair Anyone who says that god is a ginger redhead is still right, because they’re only describing THEIR god.
The sun is hot. Anyone who says the sun is cold is wrong.
Lets us say your god is elderly. Anyone who says that god is an infant is correct, because HIS OR HER god is.
When people claim to have experienced god, they have experienced THEIR god in the way that only THEY experience god.
This is why monotheistic religion is a deception, because each religion claims that it has ONE god, when in fact each believer in that religion has his or her own.
“The more you know, the less you believe.”
I know more than you do, as is evidenced by the fact that I believe less than you do. Conversely, The fact that you know less than I do is proven by the fact that you believe more than I do. I believe in fewer things than you do BECAUSE I know more than you do. Conversely, You believe in more things than I do BECAUSE you know less than I do.
In order to know something, you must be able to prove it. Everything I know, I can prove beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt.
What that you believe can you prove? The answer: Nothing.
Belief requires no evidence, as faith is based on a LACK of knowledge. With proof, there is no longer need for faith. You need not believe something you can prove.
“Belief may be either rational, or assumed on faith. But in either case, it doesn’t matter how convinced you are; belief does not equal knowledge. The difference is that knowledge can always be tested for accuracy where mere beliefs often cannot be. No matter how positively you think you know it, if you can’t show it, than you don’t know it, and you shouldn’t say that you do. Nor would you if you really cared about the truth. Knowledge is demonstrable, measurable. But faith is often a matter of pretending to know what you know you really don’t know, and that no one even can know, and which you merely believe often for no good reason at all.”
Your beliefs are not knowledge. NO belief is knowledge.
You cannot know anything you cannot prove. The vast majority of what you think that you know, you cannot prove. Therefore you don’t know any of those things. Those are merely things that you BELIEVE.
I live in the same “fictional fantasy world” as the police, as judges, as lawyers, as jurors, and as all scientists. The only “fictional fantasy world” I live in is one where things must be proven to be considered to be true. Where things must have evidence in order to be proven.
In a court of law, the jury must be convinced of the truth “beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt”.
Firsthand eyewitness testimony is considered prejudicial and highly suspect. It is considered to be LEAST credible form of evidence, if it is admitted as evidence at all. Material evidence, physical proof, can get life-or-death-sentences overturned all by it.
If this were a courtroom, and you got up on the stand under oath and claimed that you saw god and that god touched you, but were utterly unable to produce even a scrap of evidence in support of your claim, then god could just as easily get up there next and deny any of it ever happened, and HE would be considered the more credible witness. You may or may not have, in fact, been charged with perjury for lying under oath, where are legally obligated to “tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”. With no evidence of you god ever having been present at the time, and no other witnesses that can corroborate your account of the event; god would walk away with no one in the jury believing a single word you say.
This is why the police do not arrest people for crimes because they feel like it. No warrant would ever be handed out based on emotion. No police force would come to court with nothing but their beliefs in hand.
The first thing that the police do at a crime scene is collecting every scrap and shred of physical evidence they can find. If they find evidence that points to a person becomes a suspect, and the police use that evidence to get a warrant in order to investigate their suspect.
If a police officer busted in someone’s door because they claimed to have had a religious experience wherein god had told them who committed the crime, the victim of the break in would sue the police department under the Fourth Amendment to the Bill of Rights, which guarantees against “unreasonable searches and seizures”. The officer in question would more likely than not be fired from the force for their unbecoming conduct.
If requiring evidence in order to know something is living in a “fictional fantasy world”, then it the world that we all live in. Otherwise known as the “real world”.
The universe is one hell of a lot bigger than just earth. “Earthly” doesn’t cover it. The universe includes billions of planets, in billions of solar systems, in billions of galaxies. On none of those planets, around none of those stars, in none of those galaxies will you find anything that is “indescribable”, anything that is no palpable and tangible, anything that cannot be demonstrably shown, anything that does not physically exist.
There is nothing in the physical universe of perceptible reality that cannot be proven to exist.
My mind is open to anything and everything that can be demonstrably shown, empirically verified, and objectively documented. In other words: what can be proven.
What is outside of the physical universe has a name. It’s called the “supernatural”, and is also known as the “metaphysical”. Belief in the supernatural is called “superstition” or “religion”.
In all of human history there has never once been one singular solitary scarp or shred of tangible or palpable evidence or proof of any kind of the existence of the supernatural or metaphysical.
Belief in that which has no evidence is called blind faith.
If something for which there is no evidence is to be believed, it must be believed on faith, and on faith alone.
I refuse to “open my mind” to anything that cannot be proven to be true. Once you “open your mind” to that which no one can show to be true, you leave your mind open to things which can be demonstrably proven to be Untrue (See: “Intelligent Design”).
This is a dark path to start down.
Mistaking belief and blind faith for knowledge is called zealotry or fanaticism (See: Al-Qaeda). The most horrendous acts ever committed by human beings have been perpetrated by those who believed that they had been commanded by their god to do so. Believing that god has spoken to you and thinking that you know what god wants for you, or wants you to do, makes you most provably dangerous sort of ideologue there is. These have been shown to be dangerous individuals (See: Scott Roeder); but in groups, in sufficiently substantial numbers, they have been known in not-so-very-distant past history to annihilate entire civilizations (See: “Manifest Destiny”)
The first step down this dark path is thinking that you have heard god’s voice. Hearing voices in your head is ordinarily considered as a definite warning sign of psychological instability or infirmity, and is a symptom of mental decline and deterioration (See: Dementia)
But that’s just in the real world.
In religions and other superstitious cults, those who here voices in their heads are revered as enlightened spiritual shamans, sometimes known as priests.
When an ordinary person hears voices, it’s called schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder. When a religious person hears the same sort of voices, it called “talking with god”. Either way, the conversation is one-sided. And in either case, no one else hears the same voice(s).
When ordinary people see things that no one else can see, it’s called hallucinating or having delusions. When religious people see things no one else has ever seen, it’s called a divine encounter. In either case, no one else see the same things, because no one else can. And in either case, it’s an illusion.
Imagination, dreams, optical tricks, whatever you want to call them; The Fact is that they’re not really there. Whether those who hear voices are their ears playing tricks on them, or whether they are daydreaming; the voices are not audible to anyone around them.
Having beliefs is fine. Having faith is fine. But mistaking those beliefs and that faith for knowledge or truth is risky.
Anything that is real can be described. Anything that exists can be described.
What cannot be described cannot be called real, as it does not exist.
My reality is limited only to reality. My reality is only limited to what is real. The only limits of what is real are what exist. Considering that the Universe may very well be infinite, with no center and no edge, what exists is limitless.
Everything that exists can be described. Nothing “indescribable” exists.
My point is that if it exists outside of what can be perceived, no one will EVER find it, and anyone who claims to have everyone will know is lying.
You cannot find what does not exist. You cannot wish or will something into existence. Just because you want it to real, doesn’t mean that it is.
The physical “realm” is all there is. If you were anywhere BUT the physical “realm”, you would not be able to touch the keyboard, because nothing outside of the physical realm can ever be touched, as it is neither palpable nor tangible.
God’s terms are death for working on a weekend, death for sewing, death for being raped, death for homosexuality, death for adultery, death for gardening, death for touching a mountain, death for swearing, death for saying the wrong words, death for being of other religions, death for disobeying parents, death for stealing, death for having sex, and death for marriage. God’s terms are genocide, rape, murder, incest, child molestation, pillage, blood sacrifice, and cannibalism.
Your point has nothing to do with my perception. Your point is that perception ITSELF is irrelevant. That Everyone’s perception is irrelevant.
By accepting the supernatural, you reject reality. The supernatural flatly defies everything we know about the physical universe. To accept something that does not exist as being real is to deny everything that is real and does exist.
I embrace the full spectrum of reality, everything that exists anywhere and everywhere in the universe.
By mistaking that which is unreal for reality, you a closing yourself off from the vast majority of everything that exists. If you accept “god did it” as a perfectly reasonable explanation for anything, you must first reject the idea that such a thing even has any explanation at all. Everything that exists in the physical universe has a rational explanation, none involving the supernatural.
The universe is infinite, and so for something to be “outside” of the universe is not possible according to everything that we think that we know about anything at all. The universe has no limits, and no end. For something to be “beyond” the universe is therefore physically impossible.
To accept that it is, indeed possible, and more than that to believe that it really exists is to flatly contradict all rational reason.
The universe is indefinite, and there are therefore infinite quantities of everything physically tangible and palpable that anyone can possibly conceive of. Even that which we once considered impossible, we now accept as a reality. Things that we do not think are possible exist out in the universe somewhere.
But all of them have rational explanations. None of them are “indescribable”.
Everything that physically exists has characteristics, and can therefore be described.
By saying that the supernatural is “indescribable” you are admitting that it has no characteristics, and therefore you a stating that it does not really exist.
Nothing can exist without form. There can be no form without dimensions, even if those dimensions change. All physical objects have characteristics with which they can be defined.
That which cannot be described does not exist. That which has no form, and no characteristics, cannot exist. That which is neither tangible nor palpable has no form.
I have chosen to embrace the full spectrum of the reality in which we live. Very nearly anything and everything that anyone could possibly conceive of exists somewhere in the infinite universe.
All of it has a description. All of it has physical form. Anything that has no form cannot be said to exist within reality.
And since the universe is indeed infinite and limitless, nothing could ever exist “outside” or “beyond” reality.
Anything that does not exist in reality cannot be said to be real.
God does not exist “outside” or “beyond” the physical universe. It just DOESN’T exist WITHIN the physical universe. It just does not exist.
There is nothing “outside” the universe, as everything that exists is INSIDE the universe, there exists no “outside”.
“Beyond” of that which is limitless is a contradiction in terms. Something being “beyond” the universe directly implies that the universe has limits. It does not. Nothing can be “beyond” the limits of that which has none.
Since everything that exists is within the physical universe, there is no “outside” of the universe for anything to exist in.
This is not my perception. Personal perception is subjective and immaterial. This is reality. It is what EVERYONE, EVERYBODY (and everything) in the universe perceives. Personal perception is subjective reality. Reality is universal perception.
There is no such thing as “my” reality There is reality. No one has his or her own reality. Everyone has the same reality. Except those who reject reality. Those who reject reality have no place in it. Reality is what is real (see definition above)
Anything that does not meet the definition of real is not real. Anything that does meet the definition of reality is not reality.
If someone’s “reality” does not meet the definition, then it is not reality at all. If what someone considers to be real does not meet the definition, then it is not real.
This is why your god cannot be said to be real, as your description of your god as being, and I quote “indescribable” and “having no physical characteristics,” contradict the definition of the term “real”.
Your god does not exist in reality, as everything that does is real.
Anything that’s is not real does not exist in reality. Anything that does not exist in reality is not real.
By your own description of it, your god does not exist in reality.
Reality, by definition, is the physical universe. Reality, by definition, is the four dimensions that every physical object in the universe exists within.
Everything in the physical universe is, by definition, real. Everything real, by definition, exists within the four dimensions of the physical universe.
By your own description of your god as having no physical characteristics, it does not exist in ANY of the four dimensions of the physical universe.
Anything that does not exist in any physical dimension cannot be said to exist at all. Everything that exists within the four dimensions of the physical universe.
It is possible that your god exists in a reality that is not our own. That your god exists in a dimension that is not one of the four. It is possible that your god exists in a universe that is not our own.
But if any of those things were true, god would be incapable of existing within our universe’s four physical dimensions of perceptible reality.
I do not perceive god at all. My description of what god is and is not is your own.
Their external environment controls everyone and everything. That is the definition of something being refereed to as being “alive”.
The only things that are not controlled by their external environment are things, which have no external environment. Namely, inanimate object in the depths of the void of outer space.
The forces of the environment around them control even inanimate objects on this planet, such as rocks, water, fire, and air.
It is responding to external forces that define something as being “alive”. Only inanimate objects do not respond to their environment.
I don’t consider being alive to be a limiting factor at all. Do you?
If you do; then once more again, I have to ask why you don’t do something about that. If you consider responding to your external environment (i.e. being alive) to be such a problem for you; it is a problem that is well within your power to solve.
Obviously, since you continue to breathe, I can only assume that you don’t consider being alive to be problem for you. Why, then, do you criticize others for doing exactly the same thing?